A Visit to the Church…of Scientology


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  1. James says:

    Hey thank you for reporting your honest experience. I appreciate that. That is much more than the mainstream media would do.

    You guys had me laughing through the whole story though because I am a Scientology staff member (not at L.A.), and you guys are THOSE types. Who come to investigate, but not to buy anything. The staff did so much work for you. Movies, multiples tests, talking to you about your personal problems.. and you can’t even buy a book for 20 bucks. So annoying, lol.

    As for what the girl said about the “culty” aspect…you are right, people who get into Scientology, especially staff members, do really care about their religion. Scientology has done so much for so many people, myself included. In fact if you were to really question those staff members as to what Scientology has done for them, I would bet they would even tell you that Scientology has saved their life.

    I know it seems hard to believe, but Scientology does work and it will solve those problems that you guys are talking about (social anxiety, irresponsibility, etc.) And I think it is very rare that these problems would “go away on their own” as you suggested. Scientology is something very new and different in the world. I think that it does have some elements of the idea of “mind over matter”, but that certainly is not the whole thing. “Mind over matter” is just one idea. Scientology is an entirely mapped out system of how to take that idea that thought and spirit and mind are senior to the physical universe and apply it to life to get a real result.

    And by the way, I found this page from your post on r/religion on reddit.

    Thanks again for the honest reporting.

    • David J Mudkips says:

      “Scientology works,”

      [Citation Needed]

      And vague stories of OT powers don’t count. In the words of Jason Beghe, ‘Show me a motherf**king Clear’; Someone who demonstrates the Grade Chart Abilities that a Clear is supposed to possess (including that Perfect Memory cited in DMSMH p. 214 – If it’s not there, your copy has been squirreled, because it always used to be).

      In the meantime, there’s this -http://therealaskthescientologist.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/scientologists-what-exactly-works/

  2. We did buy a $5 book at the Life Exhibition. Did we forget to mention that?

  3. rootery says:

    Funny… if they had prepared themselves with information from wikipedia, xenu.net’s resources, lermanet, ex-scientology kids, and other critic/ex-scientology resources, they would have had a much better interview and podcast to be honest. just thought I would throw my five cents in. One web search for scientology abuses brings up allot of good knowledge. 🙂

  4. eyyyyyyy, jimmy, how much did they promise you for typing that out?

    You are a sad sack of a human being.

  5. Escaped says:

    No need to risk oneself walking into a scientology organization to investigate it. Lives have been ruined doing just such a thing.

    Yes James, it IS hard to believe that Scientology “works”.

    It works at extracting the most amount of money and slave labor out of occasional unfortunate souls who get their life derailed thinking that they’ve come across gold. And then years later find out it was only fools gold.

    Scientology isn’t “culty” because their members “really care about their religion”. Scientology is “culty” because they don’t allow you to disagree with L. Ron Hubbard or David Miscavige. Instead you are made to clear up your “misunderstanding” which is what underlies your disagreement. If that doesn’t work you are pulled in for an interview by the “Ethics Officer”. You are a suspected criminal or worse.

    Scientology is also “culty” because they are on a mission to save the universe and recruit people off the street to work 100 hours a week for that purpose at the rate of about $50.00/week. They’ve forced some of these members who got pregnant to have an abortion. Having a baby is bad when trying to save the universe.

    Scientology is “culty” because they force you to make a decision between severing relationships with your children, parents, siblings, and friends (because they have a strong disagreement with scientology) OR messing up your eternity.

    I could write a book on the subject of why scientology is “culty”, but no need to and many of them have already been written. Just look at the books on Amazon that have been written by Jenna Miscavige Hill, Jon Atack, Marc Headley, Nancy Many, Lawrence Wright, Amy Scobee, Lawrence Brennan, John Sweeney, Janet Reitman, Jefferson Hawkins, and many more.

    Or read the upcoming books by Tony Ortega and Jesse Prince coming out. Watch the upcoming documentaries on the BBC and HBO.

    Or, instead you can read a book by L. Ron Hubbard who is a professional con artist, selling you things that don’t exist. Good luck with that.

  6. Wu Kapauw says:

    OK, people, bets please……how long until James the first poster leaves Scientology like thousands of others have done. And perhaps writes a book about his REAL experience with this criminal scam just like Marc Headley, Lawrence Wright and more have recrntky done? Good on the journos for not giving one red cent to this cynical money grubbing business. Religion is free – and Scientology is neither of those things.

  7. Scientology’s main focus, besides money, is power. It sees psychiatry as its chief opponent in this objective (as they believe psychiatrists control everything) and once it is obliterated (their words) they intend to replace it, as well as all religions and most of the medical profession, with Scientology. It’s processes, they believe, are what these other things are merely fake versions of. Then they will become the *de facto* government. They already record their members’ confessions and use them to blackmail dissenters. They intend to use this tactic universally. Ever read what Hubbard said should be done to people who score too low on their “Tone Scale”? He said they should be “disposed of quietly and without sorrow”. The e-meter? It measures galvanic skin response. It’s a crude lie detector. You should read the questions they ask as part of the Children’s Sec(urity) Check. Some of them are too distasteful for me to repeat here. Children of staff and underage Sea Org (their “clergy”) members are compelled to grip the e-meter electrodes and answer those questions. Over and over. And write detailed reports about their sexual experiences, and reports about their parents’ and siblings’ misbehavior and disloyalty to the Church. Families are broken up by this. The Church may come across as a joke (the volcano on the book cover is meant to restimulate an “engram” we all carry from when our “thetans” were killed in one, and so make us want to buy the book). But it is not a joke. It is a “religion” devoid of spirituality, of compassion, of humanity. It is an Orwellian dystopia in design and intent. Fortunately, it is doomed to fail by its sheer insanity. Unfortunately, it’s going to wreck a lot of lives in the process. Want to see an example of its casual ruthlessness? Take a look at this blog entry http://teddybear192837.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/the-benefits-of-stigma/
    Oh, look! It’s by our friend James who has commented on this page! Now James, who claims to be “fighting the psychs (psychiatrists)” is advocating heaping stigmatization on victims of mental illness so as to make them too ashamed to seek treatment, presumably to starve the psychiatrists out of business! How compassionate, James, how very caring of you! What a good Scientologist you are. So, Rhune and Lindsey, what do you think now?

    • James says:

      I thought that was a pretty smart blog entry. You don’t think so? If mental illness is stigmatized enough, people will not seek treatment through those who stigmatize them. In this way we can cut down suicides caused by antidepressant use, ECT “treatment” and lobotomies (which are still going on today, in the thousands per year). Makes perfect sense to me.

      I do care about individuals affected by mental illness – there is just no need for a label. The label does nothing. Let’s get these people some real help.

  8. I think rootery should start his own podcast based on his “one web search” idea. It sounds like a hoot and a holler.

  9. L Rod Hibbard says:

    Loved the candid experience report you guys gave, I found the podcast by searching “Scientology” on iTunes. I’ve been obsessed with the subject for about a month. I keep thinking there must be a reason someone would take a second mortgage on their house to get a “grade” from a church, but I haven’t found it yet, for free anyway.

    *I’d be interested to know if you polled your listeners with the question “How many times did you adjust the volume of your listening device during the podcast?” what the average answer would be. I turned the volume up and down at least 15 times during this podcast. I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings… but one of you has a really subdued stable cadence and projection to your speaking voice. Another one of you has a really dynamic vocal, emotive, and emphatic range that might be coupled with (gender nonspecific pronoun) mouth being various distances from the recording device at key moments of enthusiasm. The good news is that the podcast was interesting enough that I adjusted the volume instead of checking out?

    • Rhune says:

      Thanks L Rod!

      We’ve recently changed stuidios from a multi-million dollar complex down to a living room. I’d be interested to know if you think the volume problems have been cleared up!

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